Legislature(2019 - 2020)CAPITOL 106

03/21/2019 08:00 AM House TRIBAL AFFAIRS

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08:08:01 AM Start
08:08:56 AM Presentation(s): Impacts of Law & Policy on Alaska Native Villages and Alaska Native Victims
08:33:20 AM Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact
09:28:43 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON TRIBAL AFFAIRS                                                                          
                         March 21, 2019                                                                                         
                           8:08 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky, Chair                                                                                          
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative John Lincoln                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): Impacts of Law & Policy on Alaska Native                                                                       
Villages and Alaska Native Victims                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAMI TRUETT JERUE, Executive Director                                                                                           
Alaska Native Women's Resource Center                                                                                           
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented on the impacts of law and policy                                                               
on Alaska Native villages and victims.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE BORROMEO, Executive Vice President & General Counsel                                                                     
Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented on the Alaska Tribal Child                                                                     
Welfare Compact.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NATALIE NORBERG, Director                                                                                                       
Office of Children's Services (OCS)                                                                                             
Alaska Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Presented  on  the  Alaska  Tribal  Child                                                             
Welfare Compact.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:08:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TIFFANY ZULKOSKY  called  the House  Special Committee  on                                                             
Tribal Affairs  meeting to  order at  8:08 a.m.   Representatives                                                               
Talerico, Kopp, Lincoln, Ortiz, and  Zulkosky were present at the                                                               
call to order.   Representatives Edgmon and Vance  arrived as the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Impacts  of  Law  & Policy  on  Alaska  Native                                                               
Villages and Alaska Native Victims                                                                                              
   PRESENTATION(S): Impacts of Law & Policy on Alaska Native                                                                
               Villages and Alaska Native Victims                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
8:08:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be a presentation on tribal law and jurisdiction.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMI  TRUETT JERUE,  Executive  Director,  Alaska Native  Women's                                                               
Resource  Center,  began  a PowerPoint  presentation  [hard  copy                                                               
included  in  the committee  packet]  titled  "Impacts of  Law  &                                                               
Policy  on Alaska  Native Villages  and  Alaska Native  Victims.                                                                
She   introduced   herself    and   described   her   educational                                                               
credentials.    She  identified  herself as  a  resident  of  the                                                               
Village  of   Anvik  and  said   she  has  worked  as   a  tribal                                                               
administrator, social  worker, and  in other capacities  in Anvik                                                               
for over  27 years.   She said her  husband was the  tribal chief                                                               
for  over  27 years.    She  described his  firsthand  experience                                                               
responding to  various and  constant crises,  such as  search and                                                               
rescue operations,  children in  need, and sudden  and suspicious                                                               
deaths.  She  described her role in  facilitating these responses                                                               
and  opening her  home to  people in  need.   She said  all those                                                               
experiences have  contributed to  the presentation she  is giving                                                               
today.  She addressed two images  on page 1 of the slideshow, the                                                               
first  an old  photograph portraying  grandmothers standing  on a                                                               
hill and the second a  recent photograph portraying five children                                                               
who are direct  descendants of the grandmothers.   She noted that                                                               
both photographs  were taken on the  same river.  She  said, "The                                                               
direct correlation of the land,  the people, and the community is                                                               
extremely strong."  She stated that  it is important to note when                                                               
discussing  tribal  affairs  or   tribal  authority  that  "their                                                               
ancestors have meaning."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE  addressed slide  2, which featured  a language  map of                                                               
indigenous languages in  Alaska.  She said Alaska has  229 of the                                                               
nation's 573  federally recognized  tribes, amounting to  over 40                                                               
percent.   She  commented  on the  breadth  of tribal  experience                                                               
contained  in Alaska  and opined  that it  is something  of which                                                               
Alaskans  can be  proud.    She remarked  that  the language  map                                                               
reflects  distinct language  groups  with  distinct cultures  and                                                               
ways  of life.    She commented  that,  even though  similarities                                                               
exist, it is  important to be aware and  careful in acknowledging                                                               
differences.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:13:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE  addressed slide  3.   She explained  that the  rate of                                                               
violence  against Alaska  Native women  is much  higher than  the                                                               
rate of  violence in the  United States as  a whole.   She shared                                                               
that  she has  40 years  of experience  working in  the field  of                                                               
domestic violence  and sexual  assault.  She  spoke to  the tepid                                                               
degree  with  which Alaskans  have  grappled  with high  violence                                                               
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE addressed slide 4,  titled "Principles of Sovereignty."                                                               
She  mused  on  the  idea  of  sovereignty  and  compared  tribal                                                               
sovereignty to the sovereignties of  the United States of America                                                               
and the  State of Alaska  (SOA).  She  said the idea  of inherent                                                               
sovereignty  applies to  tribes, explaining  that sovereignty  is                                                               
not given,  rather it  is part  of the identity  of the  group of                                                               
people.   She  listed  additional  sovereign principles:  Health,                                                               
safety, and political integrity, as  well as community health and                                                               
survival.  She  spoke again to high rates of  violence.  She said                                                               
SOA has  unfortunately not adequately  met the needs  of Alaskas                                                                
tribal  system.   She  said  "immediate  and local  response"  is                                                               
another principle  of sovereignty.   She opined that  tribes must                                                               
practice  self-responsibility in  order  to  keep their  citizens                                                               
accountable.   She listed additional sovereign  principles: Self-                                                               
determination and  safety, children and culture,  traditions, and                                                               
language.  She remarked that  when considering language, one must                                                               
look beyond  the mere  speaking of the  language.   She explained                                                               
that language  is closely tied  to identity.  She  also described                                                               
the often-intricate  ways of understanding tied  to languages and                                                               
noted  that some  languages contain  meanings that  are different                                                               
than those found in English.   She commented that language can be                                                               
tied into a sovereign or cultural belief system.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:16:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JERUE  addressed   slide  5  and  spoke  to   the  issue  of                                                               
jurisdiction in Alaska.   She said Public Law 280  [passed by the                                                               
United  States  Congress  in 1953]  has  major  implications  for                                                               
tribal Alaska  because it eliminates most  - though not all    of                                                               
the federal criminal  jurisdiction in Indian Country.   She noted                                                               
that there is  federal jurisdiction in Indian  Country for felony                                                               
offenses.   She said  Public Law 280  authorized states  to apply                                                               
their statewide  criminal laws in  Indian Country to  Indians and                                                               
non-Indians.   She said it  opened state courts to  private suits                                                               
against Indians arising out of Indian  Country.  She said it also                                                               
authorized states   not tribes    to retrocede their jurisdiction                                                               
to the federal government.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE  addressed slide 6.   She restated some of  the effects                                                               
of Public Law 280.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE addressed  slide 7.  She explained that  Public Law 280                                                               
did  not authorize  states to  exercise  jurisdiction over  trust                                                               
lands nor  over federally protected  hunting and  fishing rights.                                                               
She  added   that  it  did   not  eliminate   preexisting  tribal                                                               
jurisdiction.   She  disclosed that  she  does not  have a  legal                                                               
background but stressed that these are "the facts from the law."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:19:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE  addressed slide 8.   She  said the concept  of "Indian                                                               
Country," defined under 18 U.S.C.  ? 1151, is problematic because                                                               
228  of Alaska's  tribes are  not federally  designated as  such.                                                               
She  explained  that  only the  Metlakatla  Indian  Community  is                                                               
defined  under federal  law as   Indian Country.    She  restated                                                               
that Public  Law 280  impacts  Indian  Country.    She referenced                                                               
Alaska v. Native  Village of Venetie Tribal  Government, 522 U.S.                                                               
520 (1998),  which she said,  "changed the designation  in Alaska                                                               
for  any Indian  Country."   She  stated that  the Alaska  Native                                                               
Claims  Settlement Act  (ANCSA) changed  things in  Alaska.   She                                                               
remarked  that most  Native  lands in  Alaska  do not  constitute                                                               
"Indian Country," therefore Public  Law 280 is largely irrelevant                                                               
in Alaska, apart  from allotments and trust land.   She commented                                                               
that this information informs discussions about jurisdiction.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE  addressed slide 9.   She said  concurrent jurisdiction                                                               
is "the one thing  that did stay in place."   She stated that the                                                               
SOA has concurrent  jurisdiction over most matters  that arise in                                                               
tribal  villages.    She defined  concurrent  jurisdiction  as  a                                                               
scenario in  which more  than one  sovereign entity  holds power.                                                               
She noted that  this does not mean that the  village power is any                                                               
less  than  SOA's   power,  though  opined  that   this  "is  not                                                               
necessarily true."   She mentioned that  she has a great  deal of                                                               
respect  for the  Division  of Alaska  State  Troopers (AST)  and                                                               
voiced some  of the challenges  faced by AST when  policing rural                                                               
areas.   She said  she also  has respect  for the  Village Police                                                               
Officer (VPO) and  Tribal Police Officer (TPO)  programs, as well                                                               
as other police officers.  She  spoke to the importance of having                                                               
a swift  and effective police  response.   She argued that  it is                                                               
difficult to  work toward justice  in tribal courts  and/or state                                                               
courts when such response is insufficient.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:22:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE addressed slide 10.   She said it is important to state                                                               
that  Public  Law  280  did  not  eliminate  pre-existing  tribal                                                               
jurisdiction.    She  noted that  tribal  courts  have  exercised                                                               
authority  over people  and places  for thousands  of years,  and                                                               
they  can still  assert their  authority over  their members  and                                                               
internal matters.   She spoke to the  importance of understanding                                                               
that tribal courts  have authority over their members.   She said                                                               
that  authority does  not currently  manifest itself  "because of                                                               
those   other  laws   that   eliminated   the   Indian   Country                                                                
designation over a  land base."  She reiterated that  this can be                                                               
problematic,  especially  as  relates to   lawless   communities.                                                               
She  used  Anvik as  an  example,  noted  that  there was  a  law                                                               
enforcement  figure present  for only  5 of  the 27  years during                                                               
which  her husband  served as  tribal chief.   She  spoke to  the                                                               
short tenures of  Village Public Safety Officers  (VPSOs) and the                                                               
infrequent presence  of TPOs.   She  stated that  law enforcement                                                               
officials  from  the Aniak  AST  post  often  had to  respond  to                                                               
incident in Anvik.  She noted  that the Aniak AST post was itself                                                               
supervised by the  Bethel AST post.  She  remarked that immediate                                                               
law  enforcement response  was infrequent  during times  of need.                                                               
She identified  this is a  major issue, arguing that  there needs                                                               
to be some  sort of response.  She said  that when things happen,                                                               
the most immediate respondent was  some sort of trusted community                                                               
figure.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JERUE addressed  slide 11,  titled  "Unique Circumstance  in                                                               
Alaska."   She said the  United States Supreme Court  decision in                                                               
the Venetie  case tied  the hands  of many  tribal jurisdictions.                                                             
She said there  are "a lot of differing opinions"  on ANCSA.  She                                                               
referenced the  Alaska National  Interest Lands  Conservation Act                                                               
(ANILCA).    She  said  the   remote  location  of  many  Alaskan                                                               
communities creates  challenges.   She opined that  more creative                                                               
solutions are necessary for helping rural citizens.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:25:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE addressed slide 12,  which featured various photographs                                                               
of  transportation devices,  including  an airplane,  snowmobile,                                                               
all-terrain vehicle  (ATV), dog sled,  and small boat.   She said                                                               
these photographs illustrate the  isolation of rural villages and                                                               
how residents travel.  She said  she believes in tribal and local                                                               
community response.   She opined  that a community knows  what it                                                               
needs.    She said  identifying  needs  is critical  for  holding                                                               
people  accountable.   She  spoke  to  the challenge  of  holding                                                               
people  accountable when  there  is no  law enforcement  presence                                                               
over a  long stretch  of time.   She  noted that  prosecutors are                                                               
unable to  move forward without  adequate evidence,  so offenders                                                               
are  not often  held  accountable.   She  said communities  would                                                               
operate  more smoothly  if there  were a  local tribal  authority                                                               
willing to  step in and  hold citizens to  a high standard.   She                                                               
said she advocates for community accountability and response.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JERUE   stressed  that  tribal  courts   need  resources  to                                                               
effectively  facilitate systems  of accountability  and response.                                                               
She said the high levels  of victimization in Alaska - especially                                                               
in tribal communities   are  linked to resource disparities.  She                                                               
stressed that "resources" is more  than just funding; it includes                                                               
staffing,  training, and  vehicles for  enforcing both  state and                                                               
tribal  codes.   She  spoke to  the  importance of  understanding                                                               
where state  and tribal  codes intersect  and where  they differ.                                                               
She  stressed  the  importance  of  responsible  partnerships  in                                                               
securing  funds  and  understanding  a community's  needs.    She                                                               
relayed tribal leaders' complaints about  the lack of respect for                                                               
longstanding  tribal  jurisdiction/sovereignty  and  insufficient                                                               
levels  of response  from law  enforcement in  support of  tribal                                                               
courts.    She  referenced  a question  asked  by  Representative                                                               
Edgmon  at a  previous hearing  about whether  drugs and  alcohol                                                               
create  "most of  the problems."    She remarked  that drugs  and                                                               
alcohol are a huge problem in  rural Alaska, but the roots of the                                                               
problem are  much deeper  than just those  substances.   She said                                                               
drugs  and alcohol  are  a  symptom of  a  larger  problem.   She                                                               
reiterated  the need  for resources  in helping  tribes establish                                                               
healing services in their communities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:29:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINCOLN  asked  if  Public Law  280  offered  any                                                               
opportunities  for  tribes to  receive  federal  funding for  law                                                               
enforcement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE answered yes but said  it is complicated.  She said law                                                               
enforcement  funding  usually comes  from  the  Bureau of  Indian                                                               
Affairs  (BIA)  and the  Office  of  Community Oriented  Policing                                                               
Services (COPS)  under the federal  Department of  Justice (DOJ).                                                               
She said  jurisdictional issues  that arose  from Public  Law 280                                                               
has  rendered BIA  unable to  fund law  enforcement positions  in                                                               
Alaska.   She noted  that United States  Senator Ted  Stevens had                                                               
worked to enable  tribes to accept COPS funds to  hire TPOs.  She                                                               
stated  that TPOs  must abide  by  tribal code,  but said  issues                                                               
arise  when tribal  code does  not align  with state  code.   She                                                               
commented  that  there is  a  lack  of training  for  COPS-funded                                                               
positions.  She  mentioned that AST conducts  a two-week training                                                               
course for  TPOs.  She called  the training "very minimal."   She                                                               
shared that  other tribes in  Alaska have attempted to  get their                                                               
TPOs  admitted  to  the  United   States  Indian  Police  Academy                                                               
operated by  BIA in Arizona.   She said roadblocks  stemming from                                                               
Public Law  280 mean that  "the only  real overlap that  has been                                                               
available" is under  the Violence Against Women Act  (VAWA).  She                                                               
said  VAWA contains  provisions that  allow any  protective order                                                               
issued  through  a  tribe  to be  administered  through  any  law                                                               
enforcement  agency within  the  vicinity,  including AST,  TPOs,                                                               
VPSOs, and  federal officers.   She reiterated that  she believes                                                               
the  problems  relating  to  law  enforcement  stem  from  issues                                                               
pertaining  to "Indian  Country" designation,  lack of  training,                                                               
lack  of opportunity,  and confusion  relating to  enforcement of                                                               
multiple codes.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:33:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  thanked Ms. Jerue  for her dedication  to Alaskan                                                               
tribes and for her testimony.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. JERUE thanked the committee for allowing her to speak.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact                                                                                            
              Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
8:33:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be a presentation on the Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:33:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE  BORROMEO, Executive  Vice  President  & General  Counsel,                                                               
Alaska Federation  of Natives (AFN),  said AFN is the  oldest and                                                               
largest statewide native organization in  Alaska.  She added that                                                               
AFN  was   established  over   50  years   ago  as   an  umbrella                                                               
organization  to  ensure  a  fair and  just  settlement  of  land                                                               
claims.   She  said AFN  continues to  work on  issues of  mutual                                                               
importance  to the  entire Alaska  Native community.   She  noted                                                               
that she grew up in McGrath  located on the Kuskokwim River.  She                                                               
added  that  she  holds  a  law degree  from  the  University  of                                                               
Washington.  She said she is  most proud of graduating from Mount                                                               
Edgecumbe High  School (MEHS) in  Sitka.  She  identified herself                                                               
as  a  product  of  the public-school  system  who  attended  the                                                               
University of Alaska  Anchorage (UAA).  She said  she is licensed                                                               
to  practice  law in  Alaska,  Hawai'i,  Washington, and  on  the                                                               
Tulalip Reservation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:34:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATALIE NORBERG,  Director, Office of Children's  Services (OCS),                                                               
Alaska Department of Health and  Social Services (DHSS), said she                                                               
was born and  raised in Southeast Alaska.  She  stated that it is                                                               
a  privilege  to serve  Alaska  in  her  current position.    She                                                               
introduced a  video that  she said would  provide an  overview of                                                               
the Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:35:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:35 a.m. to 8:36 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NORBERG played  a video  featuring  various people  speaking                                                               
about the Alaska Tribal Child  Welfare Compact.  The video opened                                                               
with an interview with Ms. Borromeo, who said the following:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     It is time.   Our children deserve this.   This compact                                                                    
     is for  them.  It's  going to change the  trajectory of                                                                    
     our future.   We'll be able to pinpoint  this moment in                                                                    
     time 15  years from  now, 10 years  from now,  and say,                                                                    
     "This  is  when it  changed.    This  is when  we  took                                                                    
     control of our  own destiny and started  to rewrite how                                                                    
     our history is going to unfold."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an  interview with Will Mayo, the Board                                                               
Co-Chair of AFN, who said the following:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There  are many  things in  the history  of the  Native                                                                    
     people and the tribal community  that sent a message to                                                                    
     us  that, as  we grew  up, that  our communities  - our                                                                    
     governments  - were  not important.   And  as we  moved                                                                    
     into  adulthood, we  struggled with  that, and  feeling                                                                    
     like we have a place in  our own homeland, so to speak,                                                                    
     in  our own  traditional land  and cultures.   Advances                                                                    
     like this, and having  people acknowledge and recognize                                                                    
     our  authority and  our place,  to  me, it  gives me  a                                                                    
     sense  of coming  home, of  having  a home.   And  then                                                                    
     there's a freedom  that comes.  There's a  lifting of a                                                                    
     burden that  comes when important  steps like  this are                                                                    
     made.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The video ran footage of the compact deliberations from 2017.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Valerie Davidson,                                                                   
then-Commissioner of DHSS, who said the following:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I think  a lot of the  emotion in that room  was really                                                                    
     about  generations  of  people  telling  Alaska  Native                                                                    
     people and  Alaska Native leadership  that who  we were                                                                    
     as people  wasn't enough.   And  that's just  not true.                                                                    
     And I think  it was a recognition of the  fact that, in                                                                    
     our communities, if  we have our tradition,  if we have                                                                    
     our culture, if  we have our language,  we have enough.                                                                    
     We have what  it takes to keep our  children strong and                                                                    
     safe.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Kristie Swanson of                                                                  
OCS, who said the following:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     We've been trying  to think of ways to  have the tribes                                                                    
     be  able to  provide the  services that  they have  the                                                                    
     inherent right  to do  so.   They have  their sovereign                                                                    
     nations and  this compact  provides the  opportunity to                                                                    
     do  just that,  to provide  services to  their children                                                                    
     and families within their home communities.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Vivian Korthuis, CEO                                                                
of the Association of Village Council Presidents, who said the                                                                  
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Tribes and tribal organizations  will always act in the                                                                    
     best interest of the tribe.   Our tribes are made up of                                                                    
     families, extended  families, large  extended families.                                                                    
     So,  it's  our  obligation  as leaders  to  create  the                                                                    
     framework in which to  move forward anything, including                                                                    
     compacting, as  a tool to  ensure that  our communities                                                                    
     are strong.  That's really what it means.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Christy Lawton,                                                                     
then-Director of OCS, who said the following:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     We  know  that  Alaska Natives  are  disproportionately                                                                    
     represented when  they come into  foster care  and then                                                                    
     as  they  go  through  the foster  care  system,  their                                                                    
     outcomes are worse  than their non-native counterparts.                                                                    
     So, we  believe that kids  will do better  when they're                                                                    
     served  closest to  home, and  particularly if  they're                                                                    
     served  by  their  own tribe  or  tribal  organization.                                                                    
     Those families  are going to  be far more  receptive to                                                                    
     engagement   and  to   working  through   those  really                                                                    
     difficult issues, than they are with the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Francine Eddy-Jones,                                                                
Director of Tribal Family & Youth Services for Central Council                                                                  
Tlingit and Haida, who said the following:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     What the  compact, in  my opinion,  does, is  it really                                                                    
     empowers tribes  to exercise  their ability  to develop                                                                    
     and implement culturally  relevant services that really                                                                    
     truly  meets the  needs of  our children  and families,                                                                    
     and really impact how we provide the services.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The video shifted back to Valerie Davidson, who said the                                                                        
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The   Alaska  Tribal   Child  Welfare   Compact  is   a                                                                    
     recognition  that Alaska  Native  culture keeps  Alaska                                                                    
     Native children safe.   This historic agreement, really                                                                    
     the  first of  its kind  in  the United  States, is  an                                                                    
     agreement  between  the  State  of  Alaska  and  Alaska                                                                    
     tribes  that  recognizes  the authority  of  tribes  to                                                                    
     provide child welfare services in their communities.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The video then shifted to an interview with Karen Forrest, then-                                                                
Deputy Commissioner of DHSS, who said the following:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This   agreement  strengthens   all  Alaskan   families                                                                    
     because  it  gives  us the  opportunity  to  work  more                                                                    
     closely with our partners to  provide services for kids                                                                    
     all across Alaska.  And  the other thing that this does                                                                    
     is  it sets  a framework  for government  to government                                                                    
     agreements with  tribes going  forward into  the future                                                                    
     for  other  potential  services besides  child  welfare                                                                    
     services.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The  video then  shifted to  an  interview with  Myron and  Agnes                                                               
Naneng, who are foster parents.  Mr. Naneng said the following:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I  think it's  a  step  in the  right  direction.   Our                                                                    
     culture,  before  we  are  even at  the  state  or  the                                                                    
     federal government involved in  our lives, the villages                                                                    
     worked  hard to  help  support other  families.   We've                                                                    
     gone through  times of famine  and times  of abundance,                                                                    
     but  whenever they  have an  abundance,  they share  it                                                                    
     with the  families in  need.  And  they looked  out for                                                                    
     each  other.   So,  I  think,  in essence,  becoming  a                                                                    
     foster parent  is just like  going to that  culture for                                                                    
     your  other fellow  men, and  especially children  that                                                                    
     are in need.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The video then  returned to the interview with  Ms. Borromeo, who                                                               
said the following:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     So, having  our children  be in that  environment where                                                                    
     they have regular  access to their elders  and to their                                                                    
     culture  so that  one day,  they can  be the  elder and                                                                    
     hand  down  our cultures  and  traditions  to the  next                                                                    
     generation   is  vitally   important   to  the   native                                                                    
     community.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
An unnamed narrator then said the following:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Our culture is the heartbeat  of our people.  It's what                                                                    
     guides  us  and  connects  us.   Our  children  deserve                                                                    
     better and we can do better.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:43:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  shared that  seeing images of  home in  the video                                                               
made her slightly homesick.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:44:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  began a PowerPoint presentation  [hard copy included                                                               
in  committee packet]  and addressed  slide 2.   She  provided an                                                               
overview of  the Indian Child  Welfare Act (ICWA) of  1978, which                                                               
she called a major piece  of federal legislation that governs the                                                               
work done in  Alaska relating to child welfare.   She stated that                                                               
ICWA  recognized and  responded to  the fact  that many  American                                                               
Indian and  Alaska Native  children were  being taken  into state                                                               
custody  and  adopted by  Caucasian  families.   She  said  those                                                               
children  were  being   forever  lost  to  their   tribes.    She                                                               
summarized  the situation  as "tribal  children being  taken away                                                               
from  their tribal  nations,  and there  was  nothing the  tribes                                                               
could  do about  it."   She  stated that  ICWA,  which sought  to                                                               
correct  the   situation,  provides  for   additional  oversight,                                                               
special  conditions, and  scrutiny related  to Alaska  Native and                                                               
American Indian  child cases handled  by the state  child welfare                                                               
systems.  She said ICWA  provides special protections for "Indian                                                               
children," defined as  children who are enrolled  or eligible for                                                               
enrollment in a  tribe.  She added that  ICWA specifically allows                                                               
tribes  to enter  as  a  legal party  in  a  child welfare  case,                                                               
permitting them  to express their  interest in the  case separate                                                               
from the interests of the parent and child.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:45:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  addressed slide 3.   She said ICWA  requires "active                                                               
efforts" on a  case.  She explained that, several  years ago, the                                                               
federal government  finally provided regulations and  guidance to                                                               
define  "active efforts."    She said  that,  in Alaska,  "active                                                               
efforts"  means  that  services must  be  provided  to  families,                                                               
included extended families, to try  to keep children within their                                                               
biological  families and  tribal  communities.   She stated  that                                                               
case planning  must involve as  many family and tribe  members as                                                               
possible.   She  added  that services  are to  be  provided in  a                                                               
manner that is culturally consistent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  addressed slide  4.  She  said another  provision of                                                               
ICWA   is  the   requirement   for  a   hierarchy  of   placement                                                               
preferences.    She  explained  that  states  are  held  to  this                                                               
requirement  to  ensure  that   foster  children  are  placed  as                                                               
follows,  in  decreasing  order  of  preference:  with  a  family                                                               
member, in a licensed home approved  or licensed by the tribe, in                                                               
an  Indian  foster   home  approved  by  the  tribe,   or  in  an                                                               
institution  that has  been approved  by  the tribe.   She  added                                                               
that, in adoptive situations, ICWA  establishes a hierarchy under                                                               
which  the primary  preference is  adoption  by a  member of  the                                                               
child's extended  family.  She  said the secondary  preference is                                                               
adoption by another member of  the child's tribe and the tertiary                                                               
preference is adoption by another Indian family.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:47:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG addressed slide 5.   She said the Alaska Tribal Child                                                               
Welfare  Compact came  about because  of  an understanding  that,                                                               
even  with  the passage  of  ICWA,  there are  still  significant                                                               
disparities in  Alaska's child welfare  system for  Alaska Native                                                               
children.  She  stated that Alaska Native children  make up about                                                               
23  percent of  the child  population in  Alaska yet  make up  64                                                               
percent of  the children in  foster care.   She added  that, once                                                               
they  enter  into  the  foster   care  system,  those  children's                                                               
outcomes tend  to be worse.   As an  example, she shared  that 17                                                               
percent   of   Alaska   Native  children   experienced   repeated                                                               
maltreatment in 2018.  She compared  that figure to the 9 percent                                                               
figure for  non-Native children  in Alaska.   She added  that the                                                               
national  average is  6.8  percent.   She  commented that  Alaska                                                               
faces  real   problems  related  to  maltreatment   and  repeated                                                               
maltreatment.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  addressed slide  6.   She said  the work  to address                                                               
these  problems  did  not  begin with  the  Alaska  Tribal  Child                                                               
Welfare Compact.   She commented  on long-term  relationships and                                                               
collaborative work  between OCS and tribal  partners, noting that                                                               
the work  has been  ongoing for  nearly 25 years.   She  said the                                                               
work started  when tribes  were able to  draw down  federal funds                                                               
for  child  welfare services  through  Tribal  Title IV-E.    She                                                               
remarked that there  are 11 tribes and tribal  entities in Alaska                                                               
that  currently  have  "pass through"  agreements  to  draw  down                                                               
federal  funds.   She explained  that  Tribal Title  IV-E is  the                                                               
major federal funding source for  child welfare.  She said tribal                                                               
entities can leverage Tribal Title  IV-E to build their own child                                                               
welfare systems through funds for  training, case management, and                                                               
support  services for  families  in SOA's  child welfare  system.                                                               
She  explained  that  OCS  and  its  partners  from  tribes  with                                                               
existing   child  welfare   programs  have   worked  to   develop                                                               
strategies  to address  disproportionality  and  to ensure  SOA's                                                               
compliance with ICWA.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:50:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO  addressed slide  7.  She  said the  Constitution of                                                               
the United  States of  America grants  plenary power  over Indian                                                               
Affairs to the  United States Congress.  She  explained that this                                                               
gives  the  federal government  exclusive  rights  to enter  into                                                               
agreements with tribes.   She added, "They have  extended that to                                                               
states  as  well."   She  continued,  "As  a basic  principle,  a                                                               
compact  is established  on sovereignty  of federally  recognized                                                               
Indian  tribes."   She  said tribes  have  inherent authority  to                                                               
provide for the health, safety,  and welfare of their members, as                                                               
well  as  individuals who  are  eligible  for membership  in  the                                                               
tribe.  She commented that  the compacting model arose during the                                                               
self-determination  and self-governance  era  that  began in  the                                                               
1960s.  She  remarked that federal Indian law and  policy has had                                                               
many  different eras,  including  some she  described as  "darker                                                               
times."   She  characterized  the  current era  as  one of  self-                                                               
determination   and  self-governance,   in   which  the   federal                                                               
government  endeavors  to   strengthen  the  inherent  governance                                                               
authority of tribes.  She referenced  the section of the video in                                                               
which Ms.  Davidson spoke about  the compacting model  and called                                                               
the Alaska  Tribal Child  Welfare Compact a  "first of  its kind"                                                               
agreement for SOA.   She said SOA  is "really on the  edge of law                                                               
and policy in  negotiating a compact of this nature  at the state                                                               
level.    She commented  that no other  state has  done something                                                               
like it.   She  expressed pride  in the work  that went  into the                                                               
compact.  She  stressed the importance of  knowing the difference                                                               
between  a compact  and a  grant.   She said  the compact  is not                                                               
contingent  on  the tribes  performing  specific  services.   She                                                               
described the 10-month negotiation  phase that shaped the compact                                                               
and   noted   that   it  was   drafted   jointly   between   DHSS                                                               
representatives and tribal cosigners.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:53:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LINCOLN  asked   how   eligibility  for   tribal                                                               
membership  is determined.    He referenced  what  had been  said                                                               
about   tribes   having   authority  over   their   members   and                                                               
 individuals eligible for membership.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO said eligibility is  determined at the tribal level.                                                               
She stated  that all tribes  are their own  independent sovereign                                                               
entities.  As an example, she  said a tribe in Kotzebue could not                                                               
determine eligibility for  a tribe from McGrath.   She noted that                                                               
in order  to be  considered an Indian  for federal  benefits, one                                                               
must  have  a  blood  quantum  of 25  percent  of  higher.    She                                                               
mentioned that  some tribes have  lowered that blood  quantum for                                                               
purposes  of enrollment  in their  services.   She  said that  is                                                               
"perfectly permissible, but  in order to be  considered an Indian                                                               
for political classification doctrine  purposes, there is a blood                                                               
quantum requirement."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:54:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINCOLN   stated  that  the  Native   Village  of                                                               
Kotzebue  accepts  tribal  members   from  different  tribes  and                                                               
backgrounds.   He  noted that  Noorvik Native  Community welcomes                                                               
people with no  American Indian or Alaska Native  blood to become                                                               
members.   He expressed confusion  because there is a  huge range                                                               
of  membership  policies across  tribes.    He asked,  "For  this                                                               
purpose, you  need to  comply with the  federal rules  around the                                                               
quarter blood quantum?"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO  confirmed that "Indian"  is defined in  the compact                                                               
through the federal  definition found in ICWA.  She  said that is                                                               
how "Indian child" is also defined.   She stated that the compact                                                               
recognizes  how   a  tribal  organization  defines   its  service                                                               
population, which "play[s] into  the different services that they                                                               
can provide."   She noted that  it is permissible for  a child to                                                               
be  enrolled in  two different  tribes  if the  parents are  from                                                               
those  different tribes  and the  tribes  allow dual  enrollment.                                                               
She said  not all tribes  in Alaska  allow dual enrollment.   She                                                               
added that  some tribes require  the parents to choose  one tribe                                                               
in which to  enroll the child.  She said  the topic of non-Native                                                               
enrollment is a gray area for  many tribes.  She stated that when                                                               
a non-Native is adopted into a  tribe, it is often for ceremonial                                                               
purposes or for  public recognition, and not  necessarily for the                                                               
delivery of services and programs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:56:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO addressed  slide 8.    She said  the Alaska  Tribal                                                               
Child Welfare  Compact, which seeks  to enable tribes  to deliver                                                               
services  previously  rendered  by OCS,  accomplishes  its  goals                                                               
through  the  Service  Support Funding  Agreement  (SSFA).    She                                                               
characterized the compact as  "an overarching umbrella agreement                                                                
between SOA  and the different  tribal cosigners."  She  said the                                                               
compact contains  11 sections  which cover  a variety  of topics.                                                               
She touched  on a  few of them  before highlighting  Article Six,                                                               
which  she  said covers  the  sharing  of services  and  supports                                                               
between SOA and tribal co-signers  without the exchange of funds.                                                               
She added that Article Seven  discusses the different services to                                                               
be assumed by the tribes upon agreement of an SSFA.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:57:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON asked  whether it  would be  beneficial to                                                               
codify provisions of the compact into Alaska statute.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO   answered  "definitely."     She   explained  that                                                               
codifying a regulation  or policy makes it stronger.   She opined                                                               
that there  will be an opportunity  to do that later.   She noted                                                               
that implementation of the compact  has only recently begun.  She                                                               
said  "some bugs"  still  need to  be fixed.    She repeated  her                                                               
remark  about  operating on  the  edge  of law/policy  and  said,                                                               
"We're  not operating  in  an environment  of  perfection."   She                                                               
stated that all compact cosigners  committed at the outset to not                                                               
allow perfection to be the enemy of  good.  She said she does not                                                               
want  to  speak for  SOA  or  any  of  the tribal  cosigners  but                                                               
expressed that it might be to  too early to think about codifying                                                               
the compact as is.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:58:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO addressed  slide 9,  which  featured a  list of  18                                                               
tribal cosigners representing  161 tribes.  She  commented on the                                                               
"incredible reach"  the compact  has across  Alaska.   She echoed                                                               
earlier  testimony  by Ms.  Jerue  pertaining  to the  fact  that                                                               
approximately half  of the  nations  federally  recognized tribes                                                               
are in Alaska.  She commented  that the compact has the potential                                                               
to shape the implementation of  tribal welfare services in Indian                                                               
Country across the  nation.  She noted that the  compact has been                                                               
decades in the  making.  She spoke to the  broad participation of                                                               
representatives from across Alaska  in negotiating the agreement.                                                               
She   expressed  her   intention   to   recognize  everyone   who                                                               
participated  in   the  process.     She  discussed   how  tribal                                                               
organizations were each allowed  two representatives: a decision-                                                               
maker and a subject matter expert.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:01:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked for confirmation  that the negotiations took                                                               
10 months.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO  confirmed  that   negotiations  over  the  40-page                                                               
compact occurred  over a 10-month span.   She noted that  over 20                                                               
attorneys worked  on drafting the  compact.   She said it  was "a                                                               
very  collaborative effort."   She  recognized two  attorneys she                                                               
deemed "phenomenal": Carla Erickson and Stacie Kraly.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:01:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG addressed slide 10.   She introduced the timeline for                                                               
implementation of the  compact.  She said the  compact was signed                                                               
and went  into effect  in December  2017.   She said  fiscal year                                                               
2018 (FY  18) was spent  developing the  necessary infrastructure                                                               
for implementation.   She stated  that this included  the Initial                                                               
Diligent  Relative  Search  (IDRS)   scope  of  work,  which  she                                                               
explained means  "the cosigners who  signed on ...  are searching                                                               
for  relatives  for  children  who  come  into  the  foster  care                                                               
system."     She  noted   that  there   are  federal   and  state                                                               
requirements  mandating  that  all relatives  be  identified  and                                                               
notified  within 30  days  of  a child  coming  into  care.   She                                                               
reiterated that the  cosigners are doing that work for  OCS.  She                                                               
added  that the  cosigners  have direct  access  to OCS's  online                                                               
filing system,  which means  the data is  being entered  on OCS's                                                               
behalf.   "So,"  she  continued,  "when the  work  is done,  it's                                                               
done."   She contrasted this with  a system in which  an OCS case                                                               
worker would be required to input the information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:03:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  for clarification on who  has direct access                                                               
to the online filing system.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG confirmed that the tribes have access to the system.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO clarified  that the tribal cosigners  and tribes are                                                               
not able "to  just log on to  the state system."   She noted that                                                               
there are confidentiality  agreements in place, as  well as other                                                               
means to secure private information.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:03:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  confirmed that  confidentiality agreements  are part                                                               
of the compact.   She addressed slide 11 and  reiterated that the                                                               
compact is  an overarching  document.  She  relayed that  OCS has                                                               
been busy  working on various  scopes of work under  the compact.                                                               
She  noted that  OCS implemented  IDRS during  FY 19.   She  said                                                               
there  are two  more  scopes  ready to  go  and  shared that  she                                                               
anticipates them being activated soon.   She said that, if OCS is                                                               
allowed  to  move forward  with  the  compact  in FY20,  it  will                                                               
implement two additional scopes of work.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:04:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON noted  that she said, "If  we're allowed to                                                               
continue with the compact ..."  He asked for elaboration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NORBERG stated  that the  Office  of the  Governor is  still                                                               
evaluating  the compact.   She  said OCS  is moving  forward with                                                               
anticipation  and is  "cautiously  optimistic,"  but an  ultimate                                                               
decision has not been made.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON asked for  greater clarity on the timeline.                                                               
He asked  if there  is a  certain point in  time after  which the                                                               
compact may be nullified.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NORBERG said  there are  negotiation meetings  scheduled for                                                               
mid-May.  She  expressed hopefulness that those  meetings will be                                                               
able to  continue.   She added,  "Other than  that, I  don't know                                                               
that we have a timeline."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO  stated that the  last round of scopes  is effective                                                               
through the  end of FY 19.   She said  if new scopes of  work are                                                               
not started  for FY  20, then  a winddown  process would  need to                                                               
begin.  She said the compact  specifies how that would happen and                                                               
that  it  won't be an  overnight type  of thing."   She clarified                                                               
that the  programs would not  be transferred immediately  back to                                                               
the  state on  July 2,  because  that would  not be  in the  best                                                               
interest of  the tribes or  the children  they are serving.   She                                                               
restated that  the winddown  process would have  to begin  if the                                                               
Office of  the Governor  does not decide  on the  continuation of                                                               
the compact.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:06:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  commented  that,   as  tribes  begin  to  assume                                                               
collaborative work in  partnership with SOA, it  is important for                                                               
SOA  to  provide   resources.    She  asked   about  SOA  funding                                                               
authorized through FY 19 and what it supports.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO stated that her  understanding is that the funds for                                                               
the  compact,  which  she  clarified   are  "very  minimal,"  are                                                               
currently available.   She said, "It's more of  a policy decision                                                               
for the governor at this time."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:07:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON said  that  the  exercise  is  essentially                                                               
ministerial.    He  postulated   that  the  decision  whether  to                                                               
continue the compact need not  involve the input of the cosigners                                                               
or Department of Law (DOL).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO said that is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:08:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP reflected  on the  statistic that  there are                                                               
1,900  Alaska Native  youths in  SOA custody.   He  asked if  the                                                               
compact  is  supported  by enough  resources  within  the  tribal                                                               
community to  support all 1,900  children.  He mused  that foster                                                               
parents  can be  hard  to recruit.   He  asked  about the  system                                                               
capacity to effectively carry out the compact.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO said  the short  answer to  that question  is "no."                                                               
She said  there is  currently not adequate  capacity in  terms of                                                               
labor  and financing  for tribes  and  tribal organizations  that                                                               
have  signed onto  the compact  to fully  assume the  work.   She                                                               
stated that  much more  funding is necessary.   She  commented on                                                               
Article  Seven of  the compact,  which she  said covers  the most                                                               
important services  for tribes and tribal  organizations  to take                                                               
on  initially."     She   said  those   responsibilities  include                                                               
decisions  on protective  services reports,  initial assessments,                                                               
diligent relative searches and  ICWA preference searches, in-home                                                               
case  management,  safety  evaluations of  unlicensed  relatives,                                                               
initial   licensing,  renewal   and  support,   out-of-home  case                                                               
management, case  worker visits, family  contact, transportation,                                                               
and adoption and guardianship home  studies.  She called the list                                                               
"very  expansive"  and noted  that  more  SOA resources  will  be                                                               
needed.   She said that,  through the Title IV-E  program, tribes                                                               
"draw down"  at a much  higher rate than  the state does  when it                                                               
comes to federal  reimbursement.  She continued,  "So, our foster                                                               
care and  our child  welfare system  is primarily  funded through                                                               
Title  IV-E and  when  the  state is  reimbursed,  they are  only                                                               
reimbursed at [approximately 30 percent]."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG said  tribal reimbursements vary tribe  to tribe, but                                                               
they are significantly more than 30 percent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO  said the approach  prescribed in the  compact would                                                               
also be  more cost-efficient  and cost-effective  for SOA  in the                                                               
long run.   She added that there will need  to be some dedication                                                               
of SOA resources  "in order for the tribes to  leverage what they                                                               
are  already  doing."   She  called  the cosigners  "masters"  at                                                               
leveraging resources  amongst each  other and resources  from the                                                               
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:11:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  remarked that  it is  clear the  foster care                                                               
system needs  additional support.   He asked about  the decision-                                                               
making  process related  to foster  care under  the compact  when                                                               
resources are insufficient                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:12:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO said  it is not an  option to not place  a child who                                                               
needs to be removed.  She deferred to Ms. Norberg.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG  said the decision  regarding placement [of  a child]                                                               
must  happen  immediately.  She   stated  that  OCS  attempts  to                                                               
immediately notify the  child's tribe when it  is investigating a                                                               
case,  allowing  the  tribe  to   aid  in  identifying  potential                                                               
relatives.  She  said that when a relative  cannot immediately be                                                               
found,  the child  is placed  in "stranger"  foster care  with an                                                               
intention  to continue  the search  for  a relative  to take  the                                                               
child until the end of the case.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:13:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO  continued  her  presentation   and  noted  that  a                                                               
cosigner is not obligated to assume  a scope of work if the tribe                                                               
or tribal  council determines it  is unable to  do so.   She said                                                               
there are  different mechanisms to  reroute or return  funds that                                                               
had been  previously earmarked  for a tribe  that decides  not to                                                               
assume a scope of work.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:14:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO addressed slide 12.   She said one successful way to                                                               
leverage resources  is through public-private partnerships.   She                                                               
recognized Casey Family Programs (CFP),  which she described as a                                                               
national organization  focused on child welfare  and foster care.                                                               
She said CFP has had a  dedicated presence in Alaska for about 20                                                               
years.   She stated that  CFP provided  seed money to  assist the                                                               
compact  negotiation  process.   She  said  it has  continued  to                                                               
support  the  process  with technical  assistance  and  financial                                                               
giving.  She added that CFP  has helped ensure that national best                                                               
practices  are incorporated  in the  compact.   She restated  the                                                               
goal of leveraging existing resources  to streamline funding from                                                               
SOA  and  other  entities  into grassroots  services  for  Alaska                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:15:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EDGMON  asked   for  further   clarification  of                                                               
"streamlining  funding" and  OCS's role  in the  future, assuming                                                               
the compact remains intact.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO clarified  that the  intention is  to expedite  and                                                               
strengthen  the work  of  regional child  welfare  workers.   She                                                               
explained that it  is easier for the tribe or  someone working on                                                               
behalf of the  tribe to identify close family members.   She said                                                               
that is  one example  of how  resources can be  saved.   She said                                                               
another example  is transportation costs  that would be  saved by                                                               
avoiding long distance travel to  smaller villages.  Instead, she                                                               
explained, OCS could  contact a cosigner and  request that tribal                                                               
representatives perform an assessment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:16:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON said  one cannot help but be in  awe at the                                                               
potential  significance  of  the  compact.    He  recognized  how                                                               
overworked  OCS workers  are and  the restrictions  that workload                                                               
places on their abilities.  He  said the potential of the compact                                                               
is larger than can be realized today.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORROMEO concurred.   She said the compact  has the potential                                                               
to  improve  the  prospects  of  Alaska  Native  children.    She                                                               
recognized  that  SOA  is  in   a  difficult  position  regarding                                                               
budgeting  and revenue,  but  shared hope  that  members of  both                                                               
legislative bodies  can be  made to understand  the value  of the                                                               
compact.   She said the  resources requested are  not exorbitant,                                                               
but  some   funding  is  necessary   to  achieve   the  compact's                                                               
potential.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:18:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP stated that he  finds the Alaska Tribal Child                                                               
Welfare  Compact  exciting  because  of its  relevance  to  state                                                               
tribal  education compacts,  which  he said  he  is committed  to                                                               
pursuing.   He shared hope  that the Alaska Tribal  Child Welfare                                                               
Compact  can be  a  successful  model to  follow.    He said  the                                                               
education  compacts  are  also  about  taking  care  of  Alaska's                                                               
children, especially Alaska Native children.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:19:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO  addressed slide  13.    She shared  her  long-term                                                               
vision  for  Alaska  and  expressed  an  intention  for  Alaska's                                                               
children  to  be served  as  close  to  home  as possible.    She                                                               
compared  tribal services  to  local services.    She noted  that                                                               
tribal governments are effectively  the only local governments in                                                               
many small  villages, as  the official  local governments  do not                                                               
have  the resources  to serve  their populations.   She  remarked                                                               
that the  compact is  a matter  of local  control.   She restated                                                               
that the goal  is for services to be delivered  in the most cost-                                                               
effective and cost-efficient manner.   She shared that the tribes                                                               
and tribal  organizations intend to  supplement the work  of OCS,                                                               
and vice-versa.   She said she wants to see  an end to repetitive                                                               
abusive  behaviors within  Alaska.   She reflected  on statistics                                                               
presented  earlier relating  to  the high  rates of  maltreatment                                                               
among  Alaska  Native  children.    She said  she  wants  to  see                                                               
improvements  in  the outcomes  of  all  Alaskan children.    She                                                               
thanked the  committee members  and expressed  the pride  she and                                                               
Ms. Norberg feel to do the work they do.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE passed along  a question from a constituent.                                                               
She asked  about the correlation  between the high  percentage of                                                               
Alaska  Natives  in the  prison  system  and  the high  rates  of                                                               
maltreatment  of Alaska  Native  children in  foster  care.   She                                                               
shared that  the compact gives her  hope that the problem  can be                                                               
addressed at the source.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO affirmed that those  issues are related.  She shared                                                               
her  anecdotal  knowledge  about   the  links  between  difficult                                                               
upbringings  and  dysfunctional  adulthoods.     She  relayed  an                                                               
analogy  posed  by  Senator  Cathy  Giessel  which  compared  the                                                               
compact  to a  personal  floatation device.    She discussed  the                                                               
future of  the child  welfare system  in Alaska,  explaining that                                                               
tribes  and tribal  organizations want  to prioritize  prevention                                                               
over intervention.   She  noted that the  current system  is more                                                               
focused  on  intervention  because  that  is  what  is  currently                                                               
needed.   She expressed hope that  the future of the  system will                                                               
allow  for opportunities  to keep  families intact.   She  called                                                               
poverty  "the  elephant in  the  room"  and  mused on  the  major                                                               
quality-of-life disparity between rural Alaska and urban Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:23:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  asked Ms. Norberg  if additional  agreements have                                                               
been developed in the wake  of the groundbreaking working done on                                                               
the Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NORBERG stated she is not  aware of other agreements but said                                                               
she could research it.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY said she asked  because she knows the Norton Sound                                                               
region  has been  "very  involved in  this work  as  well."   She                                                               
mentioned the advocacy done by  Kawerak, Inc.  She expressed that                                                               
the committee would like to  hear about any additional productive                                                               
models based on the work done on the compact.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:24:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BORROMEO  said discussions  with SOA  have begun  on possible                                                               
compacts related  to education and  corrections.  She  noted that                                                               
education negotiations  would be  different, as those  would also                                                               
involve school boards  and parents.  She added that  she would be                                                               
remiss  if she  did  not recognize  the work  done  by the  First                                                               
Alaskans  Institute (FAI).   She  recognized  Liz Medicine  Crow,                                                               
president  and   CEO  of  FAI   for  her  contributions   to  the                                                               
negotiation process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NORBERG concurred  on the  importance  of recognizing  those                                                               
contributors.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:26:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  thanked the two presenters  for the presentation.                                                               
She  said  one  focus  of  the  committee  has  been  to  explore                                                               
compacting  opportunities on  a shared  foundation of  knowledge.                                                               
She  reflected on  discussions from  previous committee  hearings                                                               
about  compacting  and improved  contracting/consultation  within                                                               
state  government.     She  discussed   the  broad   spectrum  of                                                               
relationship-building  opportunities.    She concurred  with  the                                                               
assertion that  the signing  of the  Alaska Tribal  Child Welfare                                                               
Compact  was  a  historical  moment.   She  said  she  wants  the                                                               
committee to recognize  that.  She praised the  compact and those                                                               
who  participated  in   its  development.    She   spoke  to  the                                                               
importance  of finding  transformational solutions  and said  she                                                               
looks forward to future conversations on areas of opportunity.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:28:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Tribal Affairs  meeting  was adjourned  at                                                               
9:28 a.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ANWRC 2 3.19.19.pdf HTRB 3/21/2019 8:00:00 AM
Alaska Native Women Justice Center
Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact.pdf HTRB 3/21/2019 8:00:00 AM
Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact